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Guiseleybee
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Recruitment and contracts

Post: # 387089Post Guiseleybee »

DB set a very high bar on player recruitment, well before this season anyway.

But when you consider that between Grimwood, Rye and Kizzi they have only started 13 games in a Barnet shirt that looks to be a sizeable chunk of budget wasted when only one of them was really needed.

Further forward, Francis and Wilkinson haven’t had a look in. If budget was so tight how on earth have so many of these players been allowed to join and yet make no impact?

And yes we all want a striker in and Nicke looks to have lost his way somewhat but then surely a 3 and a half year deal for a player of his age was always a bit of a risk?

Encouraging to see another Keeper come in today as it’s been clear for some time Hayes was another underwhelming signing.

Let’s hope we can offload Kizzi and TK gives DB the backing he needs this month to further strengthen. But if he doesn’t, can you really blame him?
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Post: # 387091Post Doyley »

I have assumed that it was a near certainty that Danny Collinge was going to get a transfer, but even so probably one extra.
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Post: # 387092Post thebeekeeper »

I think it's a bit early to judge Grimwood, Rye, Francis and Wilkinson. I suspect they've all been brought in as players who can make a bigger impact in their second seasons with the club, as relative youngsters. We saw the same with Ryan de Havilland, and even Stead to an extent - though his development was a bit quicker, only taking around six months to make a breakthrough (if I'm remembering correctly).

Hayes perhaps hasn't reached the heights we were expecting, but even then, he's hardly been a disaster. Most games he's barely had anything do and has made some big stops to balance out a couple of errors. Admittedly the arrival of Evans suggests DB isn't entirely happy with him, though.

I'd say the only real failure re: our summer recruitment is Kizzi, who has just never looked comfortable in Brennan's system and is probably commanding a decent salary. But you're never going to get every signing right, no manager does. DB's hit rate is still remarkably good, the best I can remember of any Barnet manager, I think.
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Post: # 387098Post Berlinbee »

Guiseleybee wrote: 02 Jan 2025, 22:05 DB set a very high bar on player recruitment, well before this season anyway.

But when you consider that between Grimwood, Rye and Kizzi they have only started 13 games in a Barnet shirt that looks to be a sizeable chunk of budget wasted when only one of them was really needed.

Further forward, Francis and Wilkinson haven’t had a look in. If budget was so tight how on earth have so many of these players been allowed to join and yet make no impact?

And yes we all want a striker in and Nicke looks to have lost his way somewhat but then surely a 3 and a half year deal for a player of his age was always a bit of a risk?

Encouraging to see another Keeper come in today as it’s been clear for some time Hayes was another underwhelming signing.

Let’s hope we can offload Kizzi and TK gives DB the backing he needs this month to further strengthen. But if he doesn’t, can you really blame him?
I think you make some decent points here. I also was disappointed that some of those players haven’t had an impact and a look in and I questioned whether they hadn’t lived up to their expectation but perhaps they are more investments for the future. I suppose time will tell.

Judging the nature of some of their social media content but without wanting to look too much into it, Francis and Wilkinson seemed starstruck and pinching themselves to have been starting for Braintree given their beginnings at Hashtag Utd and Hitchin. But personally I feel if you want to be getting into the first team of a club at the top end of the national league with football league ambition, there needs to be a shift in mindset and application there I suspect.
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Post: # 387102Post DSM »

This could be a very busy and key window for us.

Defensively I’d like to see Kizzi offloaded, not cheap and don’t want him to hold us back from bringing in other players. Wonder how easy it’ll be though, given location was sited as a reason for him leaving Sutton not many options

If Collinge goes as well I wouldn’t lose any sleep as confident we’d bring in a suitable replacement and his form this year has definitely declined.

Grimwood and Rye need to get game time with us having the option to recall.

If we offload those 4 defenders and bring in a Kensdale id also like us to bring in real competition for Kenlock.

From a midfield perspective I think we are very short of top top options. Shelton and Hartigan are the only 2 I’d comfortably start with. Tavares is much better suited to defence and Clifford a squad player. The solution is clear to all of us…..Bailey Hobson, not sure it’s a co-incidence our form has tailed off without him. Don’t think it would be an easy one to get over the line, suspect there will be a lot of competition willing to pay more than us but what a boost it’ll be if we get him

Clear we need another forward. No idea who we’ll go for but as has been well documented this has to happen asap.

As for our 2 other out of contract players in the summer, Oluwo must stay even if we lose him on a free in the summer, if we get an offer for Kanu I’d consider it.
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Post: # 387115Post PBBee »

I was thinking this the other day - whilst from the outside everyone was confused by the sheer volume of signings we made - in recent games it's mostly last year's team with only really 3 outfield players not here last season (Glover, Kenlock & Shelton/Clifford) in the starting XI.

If rumours are true that York are signing Josh Stones after his loan is up at Oldham then that's nuts with their firepower already & shows we are not competing on the same level. If only we hadn't given them Marvin & they bloody went down instead of our mates down the road!
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Post: # 387116Post jerroll »

PBBee wrote: 03 Jan 2025, 11:26 I was thinking this the other day - whilst from the outside everyone was confused by the sheer volume of signings we made - in recent games it's mostly last year's team with only really 3 outfield players not here last season (Glover, Kenlock & Shelton/Clifford) in the starting XI.
Tavares as well.
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Post: # 387117Post PBBee »

jerroll wrote: 03 Jan 2025, 11:44
PBBee wrote: 03 Jan 2025, 11:26 I was thinking this the other day - whilst from the outside everyone was confused by the sheer volume of signings we made - in recent games it's mostly last year's team with only really 3 outfield players not here last season (Glover, Kenlock & Shelton/Clifford) in the starting XI.
Tavares as well.
Ah yes!
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Post: # 387123Post becbee »

PBBee wrote: 03 Jan 2025, 11:26 I was thinking this the other day - whilst from the outside everyone was confused by the sheer volume of signings we made - in recent games it's mostly last year's team with only really 3 outfield players not here last season (Glover, Kenlock & Shelton/Clifford) in the starting XI.

If rumours are true that York are signing Josh Stones after his loan is up at Oldham then that's nuts with their firepower already & shows we are not competing on the same level. If only we hadn't given them Marvin & they bloody went down instead of our mates down the road!
Considering how DB had signed Armstrong in the first place, he really never gave him much of a chance with us.
When we played at York earlier in the season it was pretty obvious how much York loved him. He was being referred to as "Marvelous" - which he seemingly had been / was being for them.

I'd wanted York to escape relegation end of last season. Definitely got that wrong!
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Post: # 387126Post Uniman61 »

I see we have recalled Finley Wilkinson from his loan at St Albans.. Not sure if this was because he was not getting game time or if Dean feels he would benefit the squad and add to his options
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Post: # 387168Post let_it_bee »

becbee wrote: 03 Jan 2025, 13:37
PBBee wrote: 03 Jan 2025, 11:26 I was thinking this the other day - whilst from the outside everyone was confused by the sheer volume of signings we made - in recent games it's mostly last year's team with only really 3 outfield players not here last season (Glover, Kenlock & Shelton/Clifford) in the starting XI.

If rumours are true that York are signing Josh Stones after his loan is up at Oldham then that's nuts with their firepower already & shows we are not competing on the same level. If only we hadn't given them Marvin & they bloody went down instead of our mates down the road!
Considering how DB had signed Armstrong in the first place, he really never gave him much of a chance with us.
When we played at York earlier in the season it was pretty obvious how much York loved him. He was being referred to as "Marvelous" - which he seemingly had been / was being for them.

I'd wanted York to escape relegation end of last season. Definitely got that wrong!
Hindsight’s a wonderful thing of course, but watching Armstrong with us I just wasn’t convinced he had the technical ability at this level, although there was no doubting his energy and physical presence. I’m sure I wasn’t the only one feeling that way. Maybe we were all wrong - time will tell - but you can only go by the evidence in front of you, and I don’t recall too much disappointment being expressed at the time when he left.
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Post: # 387176Post Ajtheone04 »

I think Armstrong was slightly misprofiled by DB. He is probably more of a Shelton-type player who can make runs from alongside Hartigan but Brennan wanted him to start in attacking midfield and use his pace to get in behind.

With the sheer volume of players that teams at this level sign, one or two are always likely to slip through the net.
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Post: # 387178Post becbee »

let_it_bee wrote: 04 Jan 2025, 09:53
becbee wrote: 03 Jan 2025, 13:37
PBBee wrote: 03 Jan 2025, 11:26 I was thinking this the other day - whilst from the outside everyone was confused by the sheer volume of signings we made - in recent games it's mostly last year's team with only really 3 outfield players not here last season (Glover, Kenlock & Shelton/Clifford) in the starting XI.

If rumours are true that York are signing Josh Stones after his loan is up at Oldham then that's nuts with their firepower already & shows we are not competing on the same level. If only we hadn't given them Marvin & they bloody went down instead of our mates down the road!
Considering how DB had signed Armstrong in the first place, he really never gave him much of a chance with us.
When we played at York earlier in the season it was pretty obvious how much York loved him. He was being referred to as "Marvelous" - which he seemingly had been / was being for them.

I'd wanted York to escape relegation end of last season. Definitely got that wrong!
Hindsight’s a wonderful thing of course, but watching Armstrong with us I just wasn’t convinced he had the technical ability at this level, although there was no doubting his energy and physical presence. I’m sure I wasn’t the only one feeling that way. Maybe we were all wrong - time will tell - but you can only go by the evidence in front of you, and I don’t recall too much disappointment being expressed at the time when he left.
Don't disagree with you, just a pity it didn't work out for him with us when he clearly does have the ability.
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Post: # 387179Post CrawleyBee »

Sometimes happens with players they just gel and perform better at another club. Always rated Marvin, seems to be ticking for York. Not sure he would get in our starting 11 mind.
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Post: # 387383Post Norfolkbee110 »

I've just noticed that Alan Judge has left Woking. Although now at the veteran stage, he is a midfielder with a very strong pedigree and the knack of scoring goals. Could add some quality and experience that would do a job for us over the run-in to the end of the season.
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