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Re: South Stand

Postby Norfolk & Chance » 19 Sep 2018, 21:51

Seems odd to bash away fans for getting the new stand.
It's not their fault.
I said after the Chesterfield game it was that good it should go to home fans.
That wouldn't solve this issue but it just seems ironic that a huge stand we don't need, given to away fans, is going to cost home fans more to watch from the south because the club wilfully ignored the new rules, whether the rules are stupid or not!
It's got Kleanthous written all over it.
If he hadn't dropped the south terrace price in the first place this would have been a non event!
How's that for something coming back to bite you!
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Re: South Stand

Postby Norfolk & Chance » 19 Sep 2018, 21:53

RichardM wrote:I have done a simple calculation that shows a £10 saving under the new pricing structure for any supporters who wish to stand at all the remaining home fixtures and take advantage of the three for the price of two offer. Seems good to me and shows the Chairman has found a way to not penalise the most loyal supporters.


Yes, I'm sure TK did that exact same calculation prior to making this decision!
How about trying to attract more walk up fans on matchday to try and get a little more than a thousand of the most loyal supporters.
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Re: South Stand

Postby hoppy » 19 Sep 2018, 22:07

RichardM wrote:I have done a simple calculation that shows a £10 saving under the new pricing structure for any supporters who wish to stand at all the remaining home fixtures and take advantage of the three for the price of two offer. Seems good to me and shows the Chairman has found a way to not penalise the most loyal supporters.

Can you explain your maths RichardM?
I make it an extra £70 for an adult to watch our remaining 18 games.
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Re: South Stand

Postby Tuesds » 19 Sep 2018, 22:23

Norfolk & Chance wrote:Seems odd to bash away fans for getting the new stand.
It's not their fault.
I said after the Chesterfield game it was that good it should go to home fans.
That wouldn't solve this issue but it just seems ironic that a huge stand we don't need, given to away fans, is going to cost home fans more to watch from the south because the club wilfully ignored the new rules, whether the rules are stupid or not!
It's got Kleanthous written all over it.
If he hadn't dropped the south terrace price in the first place this would have been a non event!
How's that for something coming back to bite you!


Who’s bashing the away fans? And why don’t we need it? It’s allowed us to accommodate very large away followings from the likes of Luton, Swindon, Orient etc and to raise extra revenue by giving them a bar that they’ve enjoyed and used to the fullest. It’s also allowed us to accommodate away fans in one section (with one or two exceptions), which is good for security and safety and management of the ground. We’ve also been able to hire out that bar and use it for events such as a manager q&a which was free for members. That would have been fun behind the old North Terrace.

We built the stand when we were in the Football League, and probably didn’t envisage we’d ever be subject to as stupid a rule as this. You say that the club ignoring the rules is the reason why the North Stand is going to cause those on the South terrace to pay more. It’s actually the club ignoring the rules that has allowed South Terracers to pay less so far. Whether we’d accepted the rule now or at the start of the season, the result would probably have been the same. It may have been even worse, as had they acted before the start of the season they may have closed the South Terrace altogether.

I keep reading about how the club/Kleanthous is ‘money-grabbing’. And then elsewhere I see people calling on the club to sign some players. How the hell are we supposed to make the money people want to be spent on the players to enable us to compete with the Chesterfields and Leyton Orients and other clubs with much bigger fanbases if we’re not allowed to invest in upgrading our facilities and then do something so unseemly as charging people accordingly for using them?
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Re: South Stand

Postby RichardM » 19 Sep 2018, 22:49

hoppy wrote:
RichardM wrote:I have done a simple calculation that shows a £10 saving under the new pricing structure for any supporters who wish to stand at all the remaining home fixtures and take advantage of the three for the price of two offer. Seems good to me and shows the Chairman has found a way to not penalise the most loyal supporters.

Can you explain your maths RichardM?
I make it an extra £70 for an adult to watch our remaining 18 games.



Before: 18 games x £15 = £270

After: 3 games x £40 x 5 = £200 (15 games in total)

3 games X £20 = £60
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Re: South Stand

Postby hoppy » 19 Sep 2018, 22:52

I read it that there is only one 3 for 2 deal.
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Re: South Stand

Postby To bee or not to bee » 19 Sep 2018, 22:57

hoppy wrote:I read it that there is only one 3 for 2 deal.


That’s how I read it too but everything seems to be done on the hoof at Barnet FC so who knows what tomorrow will bring.
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Re: South Stand

Postby Hiveoccupier » 20 Sep 2018, 04:10

Tuesds wrote:How the hell are we supposed to make the money people want to be spent on the players to enable us to compete with the Chesterfields and Leyton Orients and other clubs with much bigger fanbases if we’re not allowed to invest in upgrading our facilities and then do something so unseemly as charging people accordingly for using them?


How did Orient and Chesterfield get bigger fan bases than Barnet ?

The “if you build it they will come” stuff that underpins your rationale for over charging for a National League game doesn’t work. The sooner TK gets that message the better it will be for us and him.
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Re: South Stand

Postby ninestein » 20 Sep 2018, 05:22

How can we be sure that the club wilfully ignored the league rule? Unless someone is sleeping with the rulebook, how would the club have known? Maybe equal blame actually lies with the league itself for not pointing it out during the close season when membership is ratified. Surely they have a duty to explain the differences in protocol to sides dropping out of the league as much as those stepping up into it from lower down the pyramid.
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Re: South Stand

Postby Tuesds » 20 Sep 2018, 06:24

Hiveoccupier wrote:
Tuesds wrote:How the hell are we supposed to make the money people want to be spent on the players to enable us to compete with the Chesterfields and Leyton Orients and other clubs with much bigger fanbases if we’re not allowed to invest in upgrading our facilities and then do something so unseemly as charging people accordingly for using them?


How did Orient and Chesterfield get bigger fan bases than Barnet ?


Ok, well I know you’re trolling now because it sure as hell isn’t lower ticket prices! I mean, for goodness sake, we’ve been charging a lower walk-up price than clubs like Chesterfield and Orient for decades, including *this season*! Until yesterday.*

I’m not sure if you’re losing track, but remember, these are the clubs who are doing the very thing you believe we should be banned from doing, ie charging away fans more than some home fans. And meanwhile they deny terracing to both away fans and their own fans.

So how did these historic football league clubs get bigger fanbases than Barnet? Well, it was most definitely not lower prices. But you know that.

You write as if we’ve historically had a similar support base to these clubs and then the Bad Man came along and started charging higher prices than our competitors and we diverged. In fact, of course, we charged lower prices than these clubs for most of the time the Bad Man has been in charge (they were lower than almost all our competitors in League 2 at Underhill). So it must be something else...


* The idea that it was lower ticket prices for away fans that helped make the once top flight club Leyton Orient become better-supported than use is especially bizarre; I remember us all being aghast at the prices we were paying there back in the ninetie, and Just 5 days ago they charged us the same price that we’re charging away fans, and that you find so offensive at The Hive (without providing a smart new bar etc.)
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Re: South Stand

Postby John_c » 20 Sep 2018, 06:37

To bee or not to bee wrote:
hoppy wrote:I read it that there is only one 3 for 2 deal.


That’s how I read it too but everything seems to be done on the hoof at Barnet FC so who knows what tomorrow will bring.
If it's not only one deal then it's clearly a workaround designed to make sure home fans aren't put out. A workaround forced on the club by a ridiculous ill thought out rule.

I'm assuming someone's asked for clarification already?

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Re: South Stand

Postby Agewills » 20 Sep 2018, 09:03

Tuesds wrote:
Agewills wrote:£20 for that terrace is way too much - the view is dreadful, there's no access to a bar and the 'refreshments' that are available are pretty dire and the prices were increased this season too!



They weren’t increased. In fact, they were reduced considerably, from £19 down to £15.


I meant the price of refreshments has gone up.
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Re: South Stand

Postby jerroll » 20 Sep 2018, 09:20

Agewills wrote:
Tuesds wrote:
Agewills wrote:£20 for that terrace is way too much - the view is dreadful, there's no access to a bar and the 'refreshments' that are available are pretty dire and the prices were increased this season too!



They weren’t increased. In fact, they were reduced considerably, from £19 down to £15.


I meant the price of refreshments has gone up.

Not for me!! Last season a bottle of diet coke cost £2.00 this season in Graz Bar its £1.98 using my discount card!!
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Re: South Stand

Postby Agewills » 20 Sep 2018, 09:26

jerroll wrote:
Agewills wrote:
Tuesds wrote:
Agewills wrote:£20 for that terrace is way too much - the view is dreadful, there's no access to a bar and the 'refreshments' that are available are pretty dire and the prices were increased this season too!



They weren’t increased. In fact, they were reduced considerably, from £19 down to £15.


I meant the price of refreshments has gone up.

Not for me!! Last season a bottle of diet coke cost £2.00 this season in Graz Bar its £1.98 using my discount card!!


But you can't access the Graz bar from the South Terrace.
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Re: South Stand

Postby jerroll » 20 Sep 2018, 09:54

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But you can't access the Graz bar from the South Terrace.[/quote]
Fair point!
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