Martin Allen -Why ?

[becbee]

You hope he fails?

Wow.

Just move on.

I believe that's the exact same advice you gave to Ricardobee yesterday!!

So you wish him success with chesterfield? Don’t wish any ill on the man, but I hope he has a poor season with them, purely as they will probably be favourites to win the league.

I don't wish any ill on MA either but I have no wish for Chesterfield to succeed at our expense. I'd feel differently if he were to manage a club in a different league.

[fordybarnet]

You hope he fails?

Wow.

Just move on.

I believe that's the exact same advice you gave to Ricardobee yesterday!!

So you wish him success with chesterfield? Don’t wish any ill on the man, but I hope he has a poor season with them, purely as they will probably be favourites to win the league.

I don't wish any ill on MA either but I have no wish for Chesterfield to succeed at our expense. I'd feel differently if he were to manage a club in a different league.

Precisely ! This is the what feels is unacceptable about his move away from Barnet.

[MCB]

This story can be rehashed:

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/footbal ... -Brentford

Martin Allen: I left Barnet because I was offered more money

“I dropped out of the Football League because [Chesterfield] paid me a lot more money. They offered me a lot more money and it is a great opportunity.

That's it. We know that, MA knows that, and deep down the Chesterfield fans know that. Yes they are a big club, bigger fanbase and bigger league history, but are a financial basketcase, and run by morons.

It's not about the chance to turn them around and return them to the place they deserve to be, the 92. Of course he will say that later on today in the press conference, but, he will be Chesterfield's 7th manager since 2017. Paul Cook in 2013/14 was the last manager given a pre-season and full season at Chesterfield. Martin Allen will go in, bring in the boys, probably sign Sam Muggleton and a couple of strikers (possibly Akinde) on ridiculous wages, and then get sacked for underachieving after a 1-4 home loss to AFC Fylde, and sit back and count his ever growing pension pot whilst talking about what great rapport he had with the fans.

It's an entirely calculated financial transaction, it always is. I hope Chesterfield fans don't get emotionally drawn in to the short term Mad Dog saga, it will only end in their tears.

[Norfolk & Chance]

You hope he fails?

Wow.

Just move on.

I believe that's the exact same advice you gave to Ricardobee yesterday!!

So you wish him success with chesterfield? Don’t wish any ill on the man, but I hope he has a poor season with them, purely as they will probably be favourites to win the league.

I don't wish any ill on MA either but I have no wish for Chesterfield to succeed at our expense. I'd feel differently if he were to manage a club in a different league.

But that's not what you said.
Your comment was 'I hope he fails', full stop. That's clearly personal and nothing to do with Chesterfield's success, relative to ours.
So long as we beat them twice and finish the season above them in the table I have no feelings either way to the man.
It's time to move on............

[hoofer2]

This story can be rehashed:

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/footbal ... -Brentford

Martin Allen: I left Barnet because I was offered more money

“I dropped out of the Football League because [Chesterfield] paid me a lot more money. They offered me a lot more money and it is a great opportunity.

That's it. We know that, MA knows that, and deep down the Chesterfield fans know that. Yes they are a big club, bigger fanbase and bigger league history, but are a financial basketcase, and run by morons.

It's not about the chance to turn them around and return them to the place they deserve to be, the 92. Of course he will say that later on today in the press conference, but, he will be Chesterfield's 7th manager since 2017. Paul Cook in 2013/14 was the last manager given a pre-season and full season at Chesterfield. Martin Allen will go in, bring in the boys, probably sign Sam Muggleton and a couple of strikers (possibly Akinde) on ridiculous wages, and then get sacked for underachieving after a 1-4 home loss to AFC Fylde, and sit back and count his ever growing pension pot whilst talking about what great rapport he had with the fans.

It's an entirely calculated financial transaction, it always is. I hope Chesterfield fans don't get emotionally drawn in to the short term Mad Dog saga, it will only end in their tears.

Think you have to give MA little more credit as he did win the League with Gillingham and is still liked at Brentford where he stabilised a club in freefall.

On this occasion I do not think its just about the money. He will remember how fans including me were getting restless with his tactics. You only have to see how Muggleton has been on a downward path. He genuinely cares about Barnet and almost achieved what seemed impossible. He publicly only made a commitment to the end of the season.

I wonder if TK had offered the job at the meeting earlier in the year he would have taken it. Perhaps he is proving a point to TK?

[Berlinbee]

Can't help but feel slightly angered that he's taken the Chesterfield job. More so, for having a say in who should be retained for next season and taking the decision to transfer list a club legend in John Akinde. The cherry on the cake would be if he were to join up with him at Chesterfield. That'll be more embarrassing than Edgar Davids making himself No.1.

Tony Kleanthous must be feeling absolutely embarrassed. What a debacle

[BeeBoi1980]

Can't help but feel slightly angered that he's taken the Chesterfield job. More so, for having a say in who should be retained for next season and taking the decision to transfer list a club legend in John Akinde. The cherry on the cake would be if he were to join up with him at Chesterfield. That'll be more embarrassing than Edgar Davids making himself No.1.

Tony Kleanthous must be feeling absolutely embarrassed. What a debacle

The retained list was sensible except for perhaps keeping one of the keepers.

Akinde won't go to Chesterfield and we can take him off of the transfer list anytime we like (though I suspect the reason he is on there is that we had a prior agreement with him).

Martin Allen isn't the only manager to have had success at Barnet, and Martin Allen doesn't guarantee success at any other club.

I don't underestimate TK's ability to make this summer a debacle, but it certainly isn't just yet, we're very early on, and made an offer to Ma last week, the process following him not accepting will take a while. Lets criticise in a month if we are still in this position.

[pletch99]

I imagine TK is disappointed rather than embarrassed - disappointed that we didn't appoint Allen earlier and disappointed that Allen has left for Chesterfield. When he appointed Allen he openly stated it was a last desperate throw of the dice to stay in the league. Given how it went I am sure TK would have preferred Allen to stay.

Allen also made it clear that Rossi, Danny Senda and Adrian Whitbread were involved in the decisions about who to release and who to offer new contracts to. By and large that meeting seems to have reached decisions that met with the general approval of posters to this board. Decisions needed to be made, I don't see why there is any problem with Allen bring involved. Besides TK and maybe even Allen himself might have been expecting to stay at that point or at least considering it.

I very much doubt that Allen placed Akinde on the transfer list so that he could buy him for Chesterfield. To be honest, why bother. Allen simply could have left it, because Akinde is under contract for another season. I would imagine that the listing has more to do with Akinde wanting to leave and the club wanting to get a fee now, rather than let him leave for nothing in a years time.

The club will always have had a price in mind, even without the listing. If Allen wants to buy Akinde all he has to do, is persuade Chesterfield to stump up the cash and persuade Akinde that he wants to play for Chesterfield. To be honest the transfer listing is almost irrelevant. What might be more of an issue is that Allen probably has a better idea than most of what TK wants for Akinde.

[barnetpete]

I imagine TK is disappointed rather than embarrassed - disappointed that we didn't appoint Allen earlier and disappointed that Allen has left for Chesterfield. When he appointed Allen he openly stated it was a last desperate throw of the dice to stay in the league. Given how it went I am sure TK would have preferred Allen to stay.

Allen also made it clear that Rossi, Danny Senda and Adrian Whitbread were involved in the decisions about who to release and who to offer new contracts to. By and large that meeting seems to have reached decisions that met with the general approval of posters to this board. Decisions needed to be made, I don't see why there is any problem with Allen bring involved. Besides TK and maybe even Allen himself might have been expecting to stay at that point or at least considering it.

I very much doubt that Allen placed Akinde on the transfer list so that he could buy him for Chesterfield. To be honest, why bother. Allen simply could have left it, because Akinde is under contract for another season. I would imagine that the listing has more to do with Akinde wanting to leave and the club wanting to get a fee now, rather than let him leave for nothing in a years time.

The club will always have had a price in mind, even without the listing. If Allen wants to buy Akinde all he has to do, is persuade Chesterfield to stump up the cash and persuade Akinde that he wants to play for Chesterfield. To be honest the transfer listing is almost irrelevant. What might be more of an issue is that Allen probably has a better idea than most of what TK wants for Akinde.

Finally someone sensible.

At chesterfield the Director & company secretary Ashley Carson confirmed their released list.... imagine the uproar if TK had announced it.

[jamiefrbees]

Martin Allen is that gambler on the casino floor who just cannot help himself. He will always go for the bigger pay cheque. He doesn't take life too seriously and why should he. Why should any of us? Good luck to him. He's only ever been out for himself and anyone who believes the media facade he puts on about what was 'special' with Barnet or Gillingham is lying to themselves. He doesn't have an ounce of sentimentality in his soul and never has.

[pauln50]

Rumour has it on the Chesterfield board that MA is taking Whitbread and Muggleton with him

[Jon83]

Rumour has it on the Chesterfield board that MA is taking Whitbread and Muggleton with him

Yep - the local press also reporting that. Announcement at 2:30pm.

Agree with the more recent posts above. There appears to be a general consensus of content regarding the players kept / offered new deals / released. The whole issue with JA is ridiculous - he always has been for sale and always will be, as are the rest of the squad, if the right offer is made. The transfer listing adds a bit of media coverage to his availability - that's about it!

[NoMagRyan]

I imagine TK is disappointed rather than embarrassed - disappointed that we didn't appoint Allen earlier and disappointed that Allen has left for Chesterfield. When he appointed Allen he openly stated it was a last desperate throw of the dice to stay in the league. Given how it went I am sure TK would have preferred Allen to stay.

Allen also made it clear that Rossi, Danny Senda and Adrian Whitbread were involved in the decisions about who to release and who to offer new contracts to. By and large that meeting seems to have reached decisions that met with the general approval of posters to this board. Decisions needed to be made, I don't see why there is any problem with Allen bring involved. Besides TK and maybe even Allen himself might have been expecting to stay at that point or at least considering it.

I very much doubt that Allen placed Akinde on the transfer list so that he could buy him for Chesterfield. To be honest, why bother. Allen simply could have left it, because Akinde is under contract for another season. I would imagine that the listing has more to do with Akinde wanting to leave and the club wanting to get a fee now, rather than let him leave for nothing in a years time.

The club will always have had a price in mind, even without the listing. If Allen wants to buy Akinde all he has to do, is persuade Chesterfield to stump up the cash and persuade Akinde that he wants to play for Chesterfield. To be honest the transfer listing is almost irrelevant. What might be more of an issue is that Allen probably has a better idea than most of what TK wants for Akinde.

Good lord, a logical post.

Martin Allen is that gambler on the casino floor who just cannot help himself. He will always go for the bigger pay cheque. He doesn't take life too seriously and why should he. Why should any of us? Good luck to him. He's only ever been out for himself and anyone who believes the media facade he puts on about what was 'special' with Barnet or Gillingham is lying to themselves. He doesn't have an ounce of sentimentality in his soul and never has.

Makes sense for him to gamble. If it all goes tits up, TK will be there to give him a call.

[jerroll]

All confirmed with Whit & Muggs as his support team - hope he take Luigi with him too!!

[pgbee]

So he fulfilled his contract for once and is free to choose his next move, which he has. No one man is bigger than the club (except TK of course) so much of the criticism of him is baseless. He may have been tapped up who knows but his only commitment to BFC was for eight games. Personally I wasn't that bothered about him staying, always difficult to repeat success and the ridiculous expectations of fans would expect us to be 10 pts clear after 5 matches, if not, the knives would be out.
I have no/ little faith in TK appointing anyone decent, he has got it right 2.5 times in his history with us , out of many more appointments, so I'm not holding my breath, just looking forward to visiting Maidenhead and Havant amongst others...